I figure the way to find other brothels is to follow the champagne. The distributor you list in this post will give you a smile if you don’t know about him. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Heidsieck
I think I solved it. The slums and disease are the keys to this issue. Apparently 75% of the men in NYC had a STD in the late 1800’s. the epicenter was Five Points in Manhattan. The stuff on Five Points makes me wonder if Manhattan would have been burned instead of Atlanta, if people knew much about what was happening there.
Do you mean they’d know more about Atlanta? I hate when old records are burned. My great uncle’s military records were burned in a massive fire at a military archive center. So I’ll never know for sure if he really fought on horseback in Mexico!
Those slums freaked a Londoner like Charles Dickens out. Imagine what a bunch of country folk in the Mid-West would have thought. It was a reluctant war, for many. If I remember right the guy from Missouri had a problem with the immigration policy. Change a couple of states and nothing we see now exists. The Atlanta burning may have cost me one ancestral record.
This quote shows women were not too upset with prostiturion
Ultimately, Ms. Hall rented her property to a women’s health clinic in her retirement years, about 10 years before she died. This was when prominent Washington women had begun crusading openly in behalf of their ”fallen sisters.”
”Respectable women bravely introduced Washingtonians to the novel concept that some women turned to prostitution by necessity rather than choice,” the archeology report notes of days when cities were largely devoid of economic opportunities for single women.
The Evening Star, March 13, 1863
Cyprian Affinities
Annie Smith, Alice Martin, and Cora Wilbraham, three fallen angels, sojourning at Mary Hall’s hades, yesterday secured a barouche and driver for the purpose of taking an airing, and in order to keep their spirits up, they stopped at sundry restaurants and put the spirits down to such an extent that they imagined themselves in Dixie, and commenced shouting for Jeff. Davis and singing the “Bonnie Blue Flag.” At the corner of seventh street and the Avenue a mounted Provost Guard ordered a halt, and attempted to arrest the trio, when one of them jumped out of the hack, but was persuaded to get back, and the party were then escorted to the Provost Marshal’s office, where Annie Smith and Alice Martin again allowed their secesh proclivities to stick out, and continued to hurrah for Jeff. and rebellion. Cora Wilbraham, however, being somewhat sober, was more quiet, and endeavored to dissuade her companions from being so disorderly. The whole party was sent to the Central Guardhouse, and were subsequently released upon the payment of a fine. http://www.congressionalcemetery.org/obituary-hall-mary-ann
Looks like a useful site
I saw one site showing how many brothels were in viewing distance of the White House
Sounds like the photos I see all the time of Londoners on a night out (I don’t think they’re prostitutes though I wonder why men would need hookers in this day when all you have to do is have a few drinks with a girl and she’ll sleep with you 🙂
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I have learned something new, I can now go back to bed. Thanks 🙂
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Wait there has got to be some kind of slang to go with this. Do you think the term losing your shirt came from this???
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Thanks. You apparently run two blogs and keep this one more era focused.
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Yep. The farm one is a lot less focused 🙂
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I figure the way to find other brothels is to follow the champagne. The distributor you list in this post will give you a smile if you don’t know about him.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Heidsieck
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You may want to place a follow on
http://sparedshared6.wordpress.com/
Found him while looking for links to the niece of this Madame
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What a good find! Thanks, mbrace.
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I know you have an interest in Saratoga Springs and you likely have found it but
The Project Gutenberg EBook of Saratoga and How to See It, by R. F. Dearborn
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/17633/17633-h/17633-h.htm
Does not pertain to subject, just matched a couiple of search terms
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If I had money I’d hire you as a researcher 🙂 Thanks, I’ll check it out.
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Title: First Impressions of the New World
On Two Travellers from the Old in the Autumn of 1858
Author: Isabella Strange Trotter
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/18634/18634.txt
Does not match my interest but still has some insight to your era and region.
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I think I solved it. The slums and disease are the keys to this issue. Apparently 75% of the men in NYC had a STD in the late 1800’s. the epicenter was Five Points in Manhattan. The stuff on Five Points makes me wonder if Manhattan would have been burned instead of Atlanta, if people knew much about what was happening there.
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A great book about STD’s and post Civil War America is Sex in the Civil War; What the soldiers didn’t tell.
https://middlemaybooks.com/2013/05/21/lets-talk-about-sex-1865/
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Do you mean they’d know more about Atlanta? I hate when old records are burned. My great uncle’s military records were burned in a massive fire at a military archive center. So I’ll never know for sure if he really fought on horseback in Mexico!
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Those slums freaked a Londoner like Charles Dickens out. Imagine what a bunch of country folk in the Mid-West would have thought. It was a reluctant war, for many. If I remember right the guy from Missouri had a problem with the immigration policy. Change a couple of states and nothing we see now exists. The Atlanta burning may have cost me one ancestral record.
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This quote shows women were not too upset with prostiturion
Ultimately, Ms. Hall rented her property to a women’s health clinic in her retirement years, about 10 years before she died. This was when prominent Washington women had begun crusading openly in behalf of their ”fallen sisters.”
”Respectable women bravely introduced Washingtonians to the novel concept that some women turned to prostitution by necessity rather than choice,” the archeology report notes of days when cities were largely devoid of economic opportunities for single women.
http://www.nytimes.com/1999/04/18/us/archeology-find-capital-s-best-little-brothel.html
The Evening Star, March 13, 1863
Cyprian Affinities
Annie Smith, Alice Martin, and Cora Wilbraham, three fallen angels, sojourning at Mary Hall’s hades, yesterday secured a barouche and driver for the purpose of taking an airing, and in order to keep their spirits up, they stopped at sundry restaurants and put the spirits down to such an extent that they imagined themselves in Dixie, and commenced shouting for Jeff. Davis and singing the “Bonnie Blue Flag.” At the corner of seventh street and the Avenue a mounted Provost Guard ordered a halt, and attempted to arrest the trio, when one of them jumped out of the hack, but was persuaded to get back, and the party were then escorted to the Provost Marshal’s office, where Annie Smith and Alice Martin again allowed their secesh proclivities to stick out, and continued to hurrah for Jeff. and rebellion. Cora Wilbraham, however, being somewhat sober, was more quiet, and endeavored to dissuade her companions from being so disorderly. The whole party was sent to the Central Guardhouse, and were subsequently released upon the payment of a fine.
http://www.congressionalcemetery.org/obituary-hall-mary-ann
Looks like a useful site
I saw one site showing how many brothels were in viewing distance of the White House
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Sue
This link shows some references to gangs of New York
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Sounds like the photos I see all the time of Londoners on a night out (I don’t think they’re prostitutes though I wonder why men would need hookers in this day when all you have to do is have a few drinks with a girl and she’ll sleep with you 🙂
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Huh. Didn’t know this.
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